I took my wife and grown daughters to the range last weekend and had some fun with the Sub, and as always, gave it a serious cleaning afterwards. I understand I am very fastidious when it comes firearm cleaning and maintenance, but what the heck, I must have spent 2 hours cleaning that darn thing, and that’s without even opening up the receiver. I don’t know about others, and the general upkeep of their weapons, but there’s got to be a ton of incredibly filthy weapons out there
3 Likes
Its the caliber. I have it even worse when I shoot my .22lr and it’s NOT a cheap gun!
Now my Sig Cross .308? I bet I could shoot 500 rounds through it and it would still be pretty clean. On my AR I once did an experiment where I didn’t clean it at all just to see how long it could go. After 3,500 rounds I finally gave in and cleaned it. No failures to fire or misfeeds at all. None. It wasn’t even all that dirty considering it was 3,500 rounds! Looked like maybe 100 went through it at most.
My 9mm pistols also get dirty easily. It’s definitely the caliber and not the gun.
4 Likes
Thanks, I totaled agree, but for some reason the blowback system almost has to be part of the reason. I see the same thing with my High Point 1095TS 10mm carbine, yet with the Sig P220 10mm, it stays relatively clean
2 Likes
My sub2k 9mm is filthy. Dirtiest gun i own.
2 Likes
Absolutely, good thing I really enjoy it 
2 Likes
Does anyone know of any videos showing opening up the receiver for cleaning? I’m a bit leery due to some saying springs and or other parts like to jump out. Below is a good thread with some other ideas
Thanks
1 Like
This is from Phuzzy42 / Steve. I’m not sure how thoroughly this would clean inside the receiver, but might be worth a try, then there’s the lube thing. cliff70chevy / Cliff uses EEzox and states that is pretty amazing stuff (see below)
Cock the hammer, put the safety on, disassemble. Turn it upside down, put the spray tube from your favorite gun cleaner up the magazine well and spray off the sear, hammer, and trigger bar, then spray lube in there the same way - I use quick-drying silicone. Put a long-handled bottle brush sprayed with cleaner through the front of the receiver to scrub the feed ramps, ejector, hammer face, and chamber area, then run a shop rag from the back of the receiver and pull it out the ejection port. Use cotton swabs to get the crevices. Clean the bolt, lube the tube a little, clean the bolt face, snake the barrel. Reassemble, function check, all done.
From Cliff:
This is why I love EEzox… As a retired police armorer EEzox is the best stuff that was ever on my bench PERIOD! AND I HAVE WORKED ON HUNDREDS OF GUNS! I have had chemicals from every manufacturer given to me (some even forced on me) for evaluation. Eezox was not given to me by the company, an old police officer I used to work with turned me on to it. A toothbrush, Birchwood Caseys Gun Scrubber (that S@#T is amazing, it is like carb cleaner for guns), some of the CLEAR (not Hoppe’s) mil spec cleaners, then the end lube with EEzox. EEzox goes on wet and turns into a dry lube. It is also advertised not to make primers inert if it gets on your rounds. I have no relationship with EEzox, but that is the best stuff I ever used. All of the synthethics worked great. To save $$$$ for a lube (not a cleaner) a quart of Mobil 1 (5W30 or 0W30) will last almost forever.
Thoughts???
3 Likes
I submit no resume … but, I concur regarding Cliff’s exhaltation for Eezox - it’s good stuff.
3 Likes
This is from Lynne B. from Kel-Tec’s customer service, and has been incredibly instrumental throughout my Sub 2000 journey . This is Kel-Tec’s response regarding cleaning the receiver
Good Afternoon Ken,
When you are ready to clean or lube the sub2000 I would recommend removing your bolt assembly and using a bore brush to clean out any debris that may be in there and then use a light coat of oil on the bolt assembly then wipe clean. Reinstall the bolt assembly and cycle it to help spread the lubrication around in the bolt tube. We use Lucas gun cleaner and Lucas Gun Oil (CLP). He said you can spray a very small amount into the magwell and even better if you have a compressor he would recommend blowing out the excess. He also said before you store the firearm you can use a cloth and wipe down the outside of the firearm to make sure no surface rust starts.
2 Likes
I used to “get” to qualify with 1911 and m3. The m3 even with rather old military ammunition was not that dirty afterwards. On par with the 1911. They all had to be spotless when returning to the armory. So, we were very familiar with where and how dirty they were. Being a lower pressure cartridge, I would think the 45 would have been dirtier in a blow back system, but it was not.
2 Likes
True, all true.
I passed 300+ rounds through and still never cleaned it. I can honestly say the SUB2K, at least this one, can probably never have to be cleaned. LOL
Kidding, it can go the long haul without a good cleaning, as I did. I did however notice wear on the breach where the two parts of it join. Since then added a grease type lube there and gave it a good cleaning. I’ll probably do the same again, a good cleaning after every 300+ rounds.
But that’s just me, so it’s a good fit for me and has NEVER had an issue, feeding, jamming, stove pipe, you name it flawless every clip. .
4 Likes
Mine also, just seems like the inside of the receiver should be cleaned periodically, and any springs and or pivot points lubricated. I just need to figure out how to do it without opening it up, or…just get over my anal cleaning practices
2 Likes
M16A1, M2…the 'A1 was by far the filthiest firearm I had ever encountered up that point in my (then young) life. A combination of poor powder choice and direct impingement were/are the culprits. Any time the ‘A1 went back to the armors’ care, it was routine for him to reject it, for being “not clean”.
Spray cleaner and cotton swabs, canned air to dry. Sparingly on the lube. A needle point applicator comes in handy.
5 Likes
Yep, I will
Thanks man!
3 Likes
I agree about Eezox It’s the only lube recommended by Seecamp. I got some when I bought my Seecamp LWS380 and now use it on all of my firearms. It also works well to preserve knives. All of the other gun lubes I bought in the past are gathering dust.
6 Likes
Welcome aboard. I believe you will find this a warm and healthy 2A community.
3 Likes
Thanks. I always enjoy talking with like-minded people. I also chat on a couple of Gold and Silver forums, but some of those folks can get a bit to far out there for me.
4 Likes
Welcome to the Forum.
There a few other rock hounds on this site as well.
Off topic a bit but for interest sake, here is a photo from my latest site visit, we made a new discovery. Tholeiitic basalt with spinifex texture, our new gold, silver, copper and PGE property.
BTW, yes I also have several lube recommended from this site. I never know that there was so much versatility but differences between them and their uses, firearm to firearm.
Cheers,
3 Likes