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Oct. Match Div. EO 25yd Centerfire Results

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I proposed resurrecting this Division, so let’s get it started. Feeling cocky, I initially tried some shots at the 10 ring even though it was pretty much covered by the dot of my Holosun - to the extent I could even see it. I pretty quickly realized that shooting for the 10 was like playing a Carnival game. Even if you missed only once, you could score at best a 42 once you added the 2 point bonus for shooting without magnification. And I missed waaaay more than once. In contrast, 4 hits on a 9 with a “miss” hitting the 8 would yield a score of 44. Or in this case, 5 hits on the 9 plus the bonus yields a score of 47. I’m sure others will be able to consistently hit the 10 but that was out of my league.

Here’s the target:

Here’s how it felt shooting for the 10.

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Nice shooting. Does the bonus apply to shooting under 50 yards?

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Thanks. From the Festus post announcing the rules:

We’ll be allowing the familiar bonus points for non-magnified rifle sights of 2 points at 50yds and 5 points at 100yds, and our newest Divisions will also enjoy a 2 point bonus for non-magnified sights.

(Non-Magnified sights are: iron, peep, buckhorn or red dot with no magnification available)

I don’t really care so long as we are consistent.

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I wasn’t questioning your scoring, didn’t realize this had been covered. Guess I need to brush up on my reading comprehension as I missed that bit… :hushed:

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Being hypervigilant in reading can also be a curse as I know from my work.

Your insurance policy covers fire AND theft but there was only a fire with no theft so you have no coverage. You should have bought the policy that covers fire OR theft. :dizzy_face:

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So what your saying is always leave a note on the cars dash that reads “Do not return, Burn if stolen”.
Thanks for the legal advice Joe ! :joy:

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Yep. Even better on a boat or an ex-wife who is clearly possessed by demons.

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Sitting on the ground, elbows on my knees - don’t know how this counts for support.

44 points

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OK, here we go again, nice shooting @Teddy_the_Beer.
Hey Folks, a couple things to mentioned about my October target postings.
No witness this time. And I learned something that others might want to keep in mind when shooting and that is the backing behind the target. I used two types of target backing. The 3/4" melamine board at 50yd had a clean punch through the target from both the 9mm FMJ and 22LR. But, interestingly enough the 25yd backing was 3/16" hardboard. I didn’t notice the difference until I returned home and decided to take care of the paperwork. For some reason the holes from the 9mm FMJ and 22LR were not clean at all. I was somewhat disappointed because it made the scoring dubious especially where a shot is close to cutting a ring (note the arrows and my thoughts). I’m posting these anyway that they might apply, score at will, I’m OK in advance of the outcome. I will not use hardboard behind a target again because the target doesn’t get punched clean out. So that is my rant, did my best as usual, factory sights. I really like the deer target and if I hit in the 10 point (size of a dime), yup I was just shooting at the target and looking to best centre, but knew I had the windage right. I had to adjust two turns clockwise to dial in from my first target and got it right on my third, and here it is. I am getting better thanks to all the excellent advice from the folks in this forum. I think I have the SUB2K dialed in as best as I can expect with factory sights, for me anyway. My eyes are not as good as they used to be so even at 25 yards the target centre best fit behind the front sight. I managed to find a shelving stand at the curb on my way to the range so I scooped it, modified it at the range and it worked as a decent bench in front of the inverted pail as a seat, not “sandbagged” that’s my story.
ps. I took a close up shot of the target if required for scoring purposes please let me know if needed.
Cheers,

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Not needed anymore for any division.

If you can manage it, cardboard is probably the best backer for your targets for clean through holes.

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@chilipepper
I was hoping someone would share a backdrop what works best for clean holes.
It’s cardboard from now one.
TYVM

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If you need something to support it, two pieces of cheap furring lath with a point cut on one end work well. Just drive the lath into the ground (if not frozen) and staple on your cardboard backer. You can probably use one backer for all your monthly comp targets, eventually it will be shot to hell and need replaced.

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Yes, that sounds perfect, and FYI, again at the outdoor range I discovered others using it and not cleaning up afterwards. So this time spent 30 min sweeping for spent casings, shells and other stuff used for targets, left behind. So I am glad to use something that is quick and easy to set up and tear down. I already marked off the 25 and 50 yard with rocks as markers, very discrete, nobody is aware these are markers. I’m in and out in a few hours, TYVM

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It makes sense, but I used cardboard as a backer for my target, and it looks like I was pocking it with a finger.

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There are companies that make metal bases if you’d rather not pound stakes into the ground. You can just set the base where you want, insert two pieces of lath as the uprights (or whatever size wood the stand accepts) and staple on your cardboard. My local range used something similar, though their bases are larger cast pieces. They keep a stash of cardboard/wood frames pre-made so when someone blows the center out with a shotty or shoots a leg out, they can just pop a new frame in when the range goes cold.

Might do that if the target isn’t tight against the cardboard, I don’t know. Could also depend on the round you’re shooting. I’ve had pretty good results with .22lr, .223, 9mm, .357 mag and .45 acp (all ball ammo) on cardboard, but I have noticed if there are a bunch of targets left behind and I staple over them or the cardboard is warped (which makes it hard to keep the target tight), tearing can occur.

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My field observation was that the melamine with the target tight worked excellent! The hardboard was a fail for sure. Guessing I shouldn’t clutter up the dedicated posting here.
Can we carry this forward for discussion in the Match Talk Match Talk. A place for "match contest" conversation 🎯
Cheers,

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If clean holes are your thing, I will endeavor to tag you next time I shoot my 38 special semi wad cutters. Your projectile choice can make a huge difference. Many target shooters choose wad cutters and semi wad cutters 'cause they punch clean holes.

They can be had in many calibers, but they are something of a specialty ammunition. I’ve rolled my own in 45ACP in the past, but I’ve only got 38 special in my current inventory. Maybe I’ll man up and shoot irons in lever and revolvers this month.

Short of the specialty stuff, hollowpoints and flat points also tend to punch cleaner holes.

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@Dred
Well that opens up a whole new can of worms.
Better not go down this rabbit hole.
As a novice shooter I am not that selective, lean towards “cheap”.
The FMJ 115 gr 9mm Blazer punched clean at 50yd into the melamine backing, same goes for the CCI MiniMAG 22 LR copper plated round nose.
Not looking for perfect, just better thinking on what is not the best backdrop medium.
All I know is the hardboard for whatever reason isn’t that clean so I will not use it again.
Now I become more conscientious in my setup, keeping the scoring person in mind.
Cheers,

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We are a bit limited here in Canada. I was surprised to see 9mm ammo with Hornady bullets in our Cabelas, we almost exclusively have FMJ for pistol rounds, since we can only use them for target practice. PCC is another story, but I guess they are not widespread enough to change ammo choices yet.

Oh, yes, I can just buy 9 mm for regular price. I guess our regular price is just always much higher than yours, except maybe for Pornoul ammo.

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