Do you prefer pre travel ?
Do you prefer no pre travel before wall?
Do you prefer pre travel ?
For me, it is not so much the distance of the trigger pull, but the certainty of when the gun will fire upon pulling the trigger so far. Kahr Firearms (particularly their non-1911 handguns), have long, but smooth and predictable trigger pulls. I have found them to be very easy to shoot very accurately. Of course, I have not shot all of their models, but those that I have, this was true.
Those are REALLY great questions. . . if one understands them in the first place
That’s why I went on an internet hunt for “What’s trigger pre-travel and what is ‘The Wall’ ?”. Short answer follows after this longer one:
I found two very good articles on the larger subject of trigger terminology and description ThankYouVeryMuch, (seriously):
SoOoOo. . . having read those pieces, I once again find, “simple questions very often defy simple answers”. Not meaning to redefine your question . . . but redefining your question, I’d have to ask “For what use?”. Would that be for a bullseye Olympic competition? Or for combat? Or for concealed carry? Or for home defense? And what type of firearm: Rifle, Pistol, other?
Ok, ok, sorry about that. In general, now that I have an idea behind the questions, MY answers would be: Very little pre-travel for bullseye target shooting but a whole bunch for situations where the adrenalin is flowing like beer at an Octoberfest and I need to be absolutely sure that when I touch that trigger, it trips because I am very consciously and without a doubt pulling it, versus it trips because my fine motor skills are limited due to the absolute stress of the moment where there’s very little difference between bullseye level pre-travel and “The Wall”.
I hope this helps
Thanks for your response! I understand the different uses of pre travel… If it’s not my self defense I like little to no pre travel…
On conventional triggers i like just a little bit of pretravel. Just enough so that you can feel when you hit the wall. On striker fired pistol i like no pretravel. The nature of a striker fired is such that you still have some travel after hitting the wall before it fires. I just finished putting in a Hyve Monarch trigger in my Springfield Hellcat I had previously put in a PRP trigger kit and it greatly improved trigger pull weight cutting it about half. There was still a ton of pre travel though. The Hyve trigger is adjustable for both pre travel and reset. I adjusted all the pre travel out and cut the length of pull drastically. Now the Hellcat has about the sweetest trigger of any striker fired pistol I’ve ever fired.
I think the PRP trigger kit combined with the Hyve Monarch trigger is about the best combination available at this time for the Hellcat.
As little as possible. On my two Sig P220s I’ve got a Grayguns flat adjustable trigger along with the Short Reset Trigger kit from Sig
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None, the exception I guess would be a few years ago I had a Kahr Arms C .45 that had no safety just a really long smooth trigger pull. I actually liked that gun but realized that if I had to depend on it my old slow decrepit ass would probably get shot!
That’s how my FNS9 is. No safety, but a long pull. Was gritty, but some internal polishing took care of that.
I enjoy some…kinda’ like foreplay to me!
My sig p365xl has no manual safety and about a 1/4" of pre travel
I agree about the Kahrs and their triggers but if I need a gun for self defense (which is the reason most of us carry) The long initial travel and reset on a Kahr just won’t do it for me! There’s a lot of discusion about the trigger wall and awareness which is fine in a range situation or what ever that person is comfortable with. For me, I want my trigger right there with a clean break and as short of reset as possible If I’m doing timed drills with a pistol or AR or in a life or death situation I make sure I set my triggers as close to that mark as possible!
In mine I like the feel of the M*Carbo spring kit. The kit comes with stainless steel striker sleeve that I was eying to get anyway.
It still has the original pre-travel, but very light. Then it hits a definite wall with very little travel to break. Reset “jump” is short and very clear.
I like it for my EDC.
PS: My Hellcat has their new (improved) trigger blade. Some of the after market triggers cloned the old trigger, some adopted the new blade angle. I am not ready to change the OE trigger yet.
This is my trigger, notice the angle of the safety blade “catch”:
The new MCarbo kit, like others, copied the older design. Being Aluminum, maybe it doesn’t matter, IDK:
Older discussion about that: Hellcat trigger debacle | The Armory Life Forum
Don’t think MCarbo was making the kit when I upgraded mine, at least I didn’t know they were. The PRP kit was highly recommeded by other Hellcat owners so thats what I went with.
PRP Trigger Kit for the Hellcat includes sear, disconnector, striker safety, sear spring, disconnector spring, and striker safety spring. I am very happy with it.
The Hyve Monarch trigger is the cats meow. I do not like plastic triggers and it is machined aluminum. The safety blade has a nice smooth radius machined into it for smooth reliable disengagement.
The Hellcat loaded up with the Lehigh Defender homebrewed bullets is my EDC firearm.
The trigger is brand new, when I bought the spring kit, a month ago, they didn’t have it. Their spring kit is probably similar with others, but I really like the SS sleeve - I was going to buy one anyway.
I see that your Hyve has a beveled angle too at that safety blade, that’s nice.
My EDC ammo is Federal micro HST:
Premium 9mm Ammo For Sale - 150 Grain HST JHP Ammunition in Stock by Federal Premium - 20 Rounds (luckygunner.com)
Compared with others:
Handgun Self-Defense Ammunition - Ballistic Testing Data (luckygunner.com)