How Many Rounds Verify Handgun Reliability

Here’s one for discussion.

Howard

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As usual a great video ! This is another subject I Won’t get into with people. All you will probably get out of it is an argument as with many firearms discussions. Some people ask you a question just so they can argue with your response. You get 2 thumbs up on this one. :+1: :+1:

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You are spot on… there is definitely a difference between “comfort” with your firearm and “reliability”. You need both. :+1:

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About 10k rounds of .357SIG and 5k rounds of 9mm on my P320 Tungsten Legion grip module and she cracked. Sig replaced it for free. My takedown lever also sheared in half a few 1,000 rounds back. Man made mass produced products can and will break, I don’t care who the rollmark belongs to. I still shoot Sigs. :man_shrugging:t2:

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Great video as usual. Its deffently one of those questions that can and will have a different answer for all most everyone asked. And my opinion is you never know longevity until you reach the breaking point. Guns are tested and have some info on wear. But you could also take 2 identical brand-new firearms and might run one forever with no issues other then basic maintenance. And the other might give up or have failures after a short time. Then you got the guys who beat the hell out of there gear and never clean or perform regular maintenance and of course your not gonna get as many miles in as someone who takes care of there gear.

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We’ve all seen you shoot Logan. Using the trigger to outrun the barrel by firing a semi-automatic firearm like a full-automatic does cause more wear than normal.

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@TexasEskimo hahaha There’s way faster than me out there

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Like everything else, the answer is “it depends…” Rock Island makes a great product - but a lot of us realize that the extractor in a 1911 is just a bent piece of steel with a hook, shoved in a channel in the slide. When I got their 1911-A1 copy, it needed some breaking in to loosen up the stiffness in the extractor. It had so much tension, that sometimes the extractor hook wouldn’t let go of the case rim. Then of course the slide tries to strip a new round while hanging on to the empty case. Good for clearing drills, bad for shooting a stage. This was well before all of the ammo shortage; it was a mix of brass from different manufacturers - so of course there’s a mix of thicknesses of rims, which is another variable for reliability.

The ed of the story is I had to shoot a whole bunch to break this firearm in - so sad with all of the range time with my friends… then I bought more mags, and thought I’d better break in those springs… for the days when I could run several hundred rounds a week…

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When you consider the forces at work - the physics of modern firearms - it’s impressive they are as reliable as they are. Designed by geniuses. Guns are like chainsaws. They wear out and need maintenance of course. But they last a good long time if you take care of them.

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Seems to me there’s quite a ding there below that fracture (NOT poking fun-several of mine have those and some have even more significant dings!) But could that have also contributed to the crack?
And good on SIG for doing you right.

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On a more specific topic related to the thread…

My Black Aces “It’s not a shotgun” semi-auto Shockwave clone has to go back to the manufacturer for warranty repair. I cant get it to feed shells from the mag tube reliably. BA finally caved in and told me to send it to them for repair. It’s unreliable. I can’t get it to run well enough to break it in properly.

If it weren’t such a cheap gun I’d be more annoyed. I took the risk. Hopefully it comes back to me ready to run.

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Got a pic of that bad boy? :stuck_out_tongue:

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@SnuffySmiff Nahsir, that crack is the only damage.

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Good thing I saved the box. Waiting for my RMA and shipping label.

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Hope it works out for you. I have a few buds that tricked those out and it’s always eye candy.

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The Remington is what I wanted but they are now like hens teeth. Big Green quit making them when they went into bankruptcy. Those that are available are being bid up to $2000 on GB. That’s insane. The Remington also had some issues. So I figured it was best to have issues with a $400 version of almost the same thing.

I thought I had it nicked a couple of weeks ago. It was running pretty reliably until I ran out of the Remington buckshot shells Black Ace recommends for break in. I loaded up some Remington slugs (Which Black Ace also recommends) and it jams on every round. So I’m going to let the gunsmiths at BA figure this one out. I told the support guy… how about YOU put a hundred rounds thru it and send it back to me broken in and working like a semi-auto is supposed to. He was pretty helpful and very responsive. So I’m hoping they will fix it and get it back to me quickly.

One thing about these 12 ga fire sticks… that raptor grip is slippery as owl s#!t. You have to hang on tight to keep the gun from flying out of your hands. I’ll figure that out when it comes back.

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GOON tape. I always carry a few rolls in my range bag… also a good way to make new friends.

Tape porn for @Kona

Check frequently as they run out of product sometimes within hours.

And, as they say on their site… Raid Responsibly

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I’ll keep checking. Sold out. Thx!

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Yeah… it’s like some jerks are hoarding the stuff. :innocent:

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I remember seeing this dude with a backpack chocked full of it, but the greedy bastard refused to share….
Had an IPDA patch iirc :thinking:

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