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Fix for Sub2K charging handle

All Things SUB-2000! Has anyone modified the detent position for the charging handle hold open. I use paracord to hold it, however, the lost seconds to loosen the cord could cause bad consequences in a home defense situation.

Wondering if anyone has used a dremel tool to increase the charging handle detent depth to reduce the chance the charging handle slams forward unintentionally.

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Is it not holding on it’s own?

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Hey san,

When I place the rifle in my gun bag or lay it on the left side, the bolt releases unexpectedly. Nearly got my fingers a couple of times.

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@Goober6291 I haven’t really thought about increasing depth of the lock slot but I wouldn’t see a real problem doing it. I don’t lock mine back and if I’m using it in the house I just rely on the safety

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I see now. Like @Whitehammer, I don’t really lock the bolt back either. but it looks like you should be able to Dremel it a bit but at angle and not straight.

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In a home defense situation, do you really want to betray your position by letting a perp hear the bolt slam closed? Seems to me it’s better to be prepared to shoot instantly if necessary and keep a round in the chamber with the safety on.

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The sound of the bolt slamming forward isn’t as intimidating as a shotgun being racked and I wouldn’t want to waste time slapping the charging handle down. I just leave it charged with the safety on.

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FWIW - The idea that racking a pump shotgun being a real deterrent to a home invader is pretty flawed. Any attacker that will run hearing the shotgun is going to run if they hear /anything/ that indicates the home is occupied. However, the invaders that fall into that larger category - the drugged, the psychotic, the armed and stupid - won’t be deterred and now know they need to shoot first and have a pretty good idea of where you are.

Don’t give up any advantage. If you find yourself in a fair fight, you haven’t planned well enough.

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Thanks for all the thoughts. I do keep my Sub2k chambered with the safety on in my house. When I travel to the gun range, I take out the clip and keep it separate in my gun bag. This is when I keep the bolt open. Law enforcement seems to ask about weapons in vehicles more often these days during traffic stops. I want them to feel safe.

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chamber flag would make them feel safe.

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I agree. A flag is a good thing. especially if keeping the bolt locked back is only for “secured in transport” reasons anyway. I’m not really sure if I see the locked back, up side vs the hassle. (With Exception, to following requirements by Your Local Laws! of course) It’s secured in a bag with no mags anyway.
I leave mine closed with mag. Chambered or not, depending. I probably don’t have law restrictions you might have there.

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You need to watch more ASP videos. Even the most vigilant can be caught at a less than optimal instant…anyone who thinks they’ve covered all the bases surely has a large blindspot.

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My home defense shogun is a Winchester Pump and I keep two in the magazine tube and the hammer down, safety off, additional shells on the side saddle. Ready, many store shotguns in this “cruiser ready” condition. If racking is a deterrent, thats OK, if its not nothing lost. If I need to be quiet about it I would just pull the trigger as I pump and no one would be concerned about the racking sound, they wouldn’t hear it over the shot.

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You probably wouldn’t have it folded and tied back when un folded at home if it is a primary home defense

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Thanks my friend. I do have it loaded for bear at home. When I have the charging handle in the back position I’ve bumped it very slightly and it slams shut. Almost got me a few times. That’s why I thought about making the detent deeper for better charging handle retention.

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Dremel tool and 5 minutes will deepen that notch. I never liked the idea of slapping it down - too easy for it to slip at the wrong time.

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I found this on google images

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Thank you San, looks like something that would work.

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No, I’d rather they hear my 870 racking, every dirtbag knows that sound.

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Secure yes, easy to kick over and chamber a round, no. Depends on what need you want more.
I can see an argument on both sides for an improved detent.
How about the improved lock detent on the other side? leave the right OEM and add a smaller more secure cutout to the left?