Was wondering if anyone had a chance to compare the Mcarbo short stroke trigger with the Galloway Sigurd short stroke trigger for the Ruger LCP Max? I would very much appreciate an honest review. Thanks
On a side note, I bought the LCP Max spring kit and installed the lighter 10 lb. hammer spring with no issues testing at the range. Fantastic improvement for this firearm.
I will start with a full disclaimer, I work at M*Carbo. But this does not mean that all of the points I will be making isn’t 100% honest.
The MCarbo pre-travel is fully adjustable as for the Sigurd has a non adjustable pre travel reduction. The reason we went for adjustable is for every customer to be able to tailor to their liking. This also means that the MCarbo trigger, when adjusting for maximum pre travel reduction, is the most pre-travel reduction possible.
The safety blade is a 3D printed plastic on the Sigurd. This is a huge one for me personally. I would never want my trigger safety feature on my pocket pistol (or any pistol really) to be made of a 3D printed plastic. The tolerances are loose on 3D printed parts and can crack much easier under pressure. M*Carbo uses a fully aluminum safety blade that is CNC machined.
As seen in the image below, due to the safety blade being 3D printed, a large gap is present between the safety and the trigger frame at the bottom. This causes a slight a uncomfortable feeling on the trigger finger. The inside edges are also all sharp, causing more finger pain points.
The two companies are much different too, as one is working from their garage while MCarbo has a team of engineers, quality control, customer service, and equipment to ensure quality parts are sent out. These are the few points I have, and again, it’s honest even though I work for MCarbo.
Thank you Vlad. I had the Sigurd before I purchased the Mcarbo trigger, (and springs), but was looking for anyone to reply that has/had experience with both triggers. Your reply eased the decision I made.
I upgraded the original Max trigger to the Galloway Sigurd and found some relief from the extreme trigger bite on the factory one.
The opening where the Sigurd trigger blade came through has sharp edges that probably could be polished smooth.
I had an issue with the trigger blade pin backing out and used a larger punch than the hole to bend some of the aluminum edging over the opening for the pin.
The Mcarbo trigger is much better, and their spring kit is a vast improvement making the Max enjoyable to practice with.
I have just over 200 rounds through it after the upgrades and zero issues with the gun. Full disclaimer, I did polish every metal piece that touches metal with a Dremel wheel including the barrel feed ramp.
After polishing, upgrading the trigger and 10lb spring kit the pull is averaging 2lbs 10 ozs.
Let me start by saying, I do work for Galloway Precision. Vlad your definition of 100% honest is far different from my own. The Sigurd Safety Blade is not plastic, it is made of Ballistic Nylon and has been since it’s introduction. This is stated right there in the description had you bothered to read it before spreading falsehoods. The blade is made from Carbon Fiber reinforced Nylon that is one and a half times as strong as aluminum, printed on high quality Markforged printers. We have yet to have one crack or have tolerance issues since putting them into production in 2017. The picture you are displaying is older and not representative of the product. As far as Galloway Precision working out of a garage and not having engineers, quality control, customer service, and equipment, you couldn’t be farther from the truth. We have over 50 years of design and manufacturing experience. Engineers, Quality Control, Customer Service, and Manufacturing are all done in house. I don’t recall you stopping by for a visit to meet our staff, check out our offices and on property manufacturing facility. Galloway Precision has been in business and manufacturing quality, affordable US made carry pistol products since 2008.
Welcome to the Brotherhood Charles. Nylon is indeed plastic, whether it is reinforced with carbon fiber or not. 3D printed carbon fiber reinforced nylon doesn’t yield the same properties as it would if it was used with other manufacturing procedures. One of our engineers wrote his master’s thesis on the concerns of 3d printing plastics (here is the link if you would like to read it: Here). And I agree that MarkForge makes great printers, as we use them for our Gunsmith bench block. Not our firearm parts. This is a concealed carry firearm and the standards for strength are critical. The points I originally stated are 100% valid, and I think if it wasn’t for the 3d printed safety, it would be a good budget option. But we emphasize the attention to detail and quality, with no sharp points anywhere on the trigger and by offering a fully adjustable pre-travel. We purchased your trigger for comparison as we want to continually provide the best aftermarket solution.
I do apologize if you have an actual storefront, as when I google Galloway Precision a house comes up and on the website it is a PO box.
Plastic has a negative connotation of being cheap and brittle, and is the same reason you refer to your bench block as ABS plastic and not just plastic. Carbon Fiber Reinforced Nylon is far superior to standard plastic and should not be referred to as such. What is added to plastic is what gives it’s strength and distinction. It appears you didn’t bother to look at the posted picture when referring to sharp edges, which the trigger doesn’t have. Although we appreciate the business in purchasing our trigger, here at Galloway Precision we don’t reverse engineer any aftermarket products to design our solutions, it’s all done in house based on the original manufacturer equipment. We have a complete in house production facility with CNC equipment, laser scanners, 3d printers, etc. that allow us to make rapid product changes based on testing and customer feedback. No need to outsource production.
Your “working from their garage” comment was intended to make us sound like a fly by night operation, which isn’t the case as we have been producing our own quality products since 2008, 4 years before you came to exist. So in your mind, and how you described to your readers, a storefront equates to having engineers, quality control, customer service, and equipment. A storefront has nothing to do with a companies engineers, quality control, customer service, and equipment. Just an ignorant statement to discredit competion. There are millions of businesses operating with all the above mentioned without a storefront that make quality, well engineered products sold through other avenues other than a storefront. Your logic is flawed and intent was malicious.
My Galloway Precision LCP Max trigger BROKE! The plastic “safety bar” broke at the pivot point and jammed the trigger. They sent me a replacement, but I couldn’t trust my backup carry to a possible failure. So, I bought the M-Carbo trigger and installed it instead along with the spring kit. I also “had” one of those Galloway triggers on my Max 9. Immediately after the other one broke, I put the OEM trigger back on. I’m waiting patently for the release of the M-Carbo trigger and spring kit.