Canadian Nightmare 🇨🇦

Folks here on the M*CARBO Forum, thanks for persevering with this topic of up most importance to millions of Canadians.

I found this letter of interest taken directly form the TEAM CSSA eNEWS letter sent to me recently.

I think its a good read and sums things up very well, especially on the history of turning over firearms to a government mandate, but also the compensation.

Unfortunately for the governmental power to be… Canadian’s are onto your non-forthcomings and lies, proven over and over and over again through history, undeniably.

Dear friends in P.E.I., I have visited several times, worked with you in the oilfields in Saskatchewan, Alberta, and B.C. I was shocked and saddened to hear that Trudeau’s first target to remove lawfully owned property is your home.

I remember when they banned machine guns and law-abiding citizens turned them in, to be compensated “later.” But of course they went back on their promise and gun owners got nothing. Our politicians and RCMP stated in the House of Commons that the records from the long gun registry had been destroyed. Then they charged a sportsman in Alberta using the records which were never destroyed but kept in Quebec. They have lied and broken the law repeatedly but hold us to a higher standard. The fact is a legal gun owner is one-sixth as likely to commit a crime as a police officer.

I have never been treated better anywhere, or had such good experiences with teammates as from P.E.I. I don’t believe that I will be safer for them taking your legally purchased, or heirloom firearms for pennies on the dollar if you are compensated at all. We saw the numbers proposed for different guns, about one-third of their cost. They haven’t offered compensation for scopes, ammunition and reloading equipment, which will be worthless without the hunting rifles to use with them. I know they are picking on you because you are the smallest number of gun owners and have restricted access to travel without checkpoints on your trip.

I urge you to talk to your MPs and local politicians to urge them to represent you before you lose your property. Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and NWT are creating laws to protect law-abiding residents. I hope you are successful, too! Best regards.

Scott Jeffery,

Lethbridge, Alta.


You guys do know how the American Revolution started, right? It wasn’t tea. It wasn’t taxes. They first banned guns.

So we shot them.


That didn’t happen till 1775…
Prior to that:

The crown felt the colonies should pay them for “protection” during the French-Indian Wars (started 1754ish)

Multiple taxes (Stamp Act ring a bell?)

Townshend Act

The Boston Massacre, blockade and other taxes

The Intolerable Acts

All these and more before 1775 when King George made his his first order for seizure of any and all firearms imported to the colonies.

Now…it was being discussed as early as 1768 (which is still after some of the above items), but no real action was taken by the British with only one report being found that states people were being disarmed and the authenticity of that report has always been doubted as an early form of psy-ops.


While your version is factually correct I still prefer my version.

So there.

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Folks, I knew it, I knew it, shaping up to be a multi-faceted affair at best.
It was plain and simple from the start, exceptions are being thrown on the table.
This whole this is BS. IMHO
Here is some recent proof of that and some comments.
Sorry about the long read, scroll to the bottom, the comments are really spot on.

It’s been a learning experience, minister says

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino says he’s learned a lot from talks with Yukon gun owners last week,

By Ethan Lycan-Lang on January 23, 2023

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino says he’s learned a lot from talks with Yukon gun owners last week, and it’ll be affecting the shape of a federal bill on gun control that some Yukoners have criticized for ignoring northern ways of life.

Bill C-21 proposes, among other things, a ban on more than 1,500 firearms country-wide.

Recent amendments to the bill, which originally focused on handguns, could make long guns used in hunting and sport here in the Yukon illegal.

Mendicino visited the territory last week to respond to concerns over the ban, and learn how firearms are used in northern communities.

He said he met with the Canadian Rangers, Yukon Fishing and Game Association, local government, Council of Yukon First Nations leaders and a variety of gun owners at a roundtable meeting last Thursday, all to discuss how Bill C-21 could impact life and industry here.

“Getting out on the land,” Mendicino said in an interview Friday afternoon, “I was able to experience, along with members of the community, how firearms are used safely and responsibly.”

Mendicino acknowledged firearms are a part of the “fabric” of northern life. “And I was able to experience that first hand,” he said.

“It’s my commitment to take that perspective and work it into the ongoing study of Bill C-21,” he said.

The bill is currently under committee review and awaiting a third reading in the House of Commons.

An amendment to the bill introduced late last year went beyond a handgun ban to include long guns like rifles and shotguns.

Fears that this amendment could make firearms used to hunt and protect against wildlife in remote northern communities led Yukon MP Brendan Hanley to say he couldn’t support his own party’s bill in its current form.

“We’ve been able to clarify that there is space in which we can create exemptions that are aligned and respectful to the northern realities on the land and to have an important conversation with First Nations because this bill is going to be passed in a way that is consistent with the principles of reconciliation,” Mendicino said.

He said he and Hanley had made good progress.

Hanley told the Star Friday he’s been assured First Nations rights for hunting won’t be affected by the ban.

He said Mendicino also committed to protecting fundamental hunting rights for all Canadians. Gun ban exemptions for sport, hunting and collecting are on the table, Hanley said.

“I’m very happy that the minister found the time and he responded to my request to come here,” Hanley said, saying the Yukon’s voice was heard and he’s confident it will find its way into a revised bill later this month. “But it’s not the end of the conversation.”

Speaking of exemptions, Mendicino said identifying guns important to Yukon industries and communities and seeing if they can be removed from a ban list in some way is a big part of the work that will come from last week’s meetings.

“We’re gonna work very closely with hunters, trappers, First Nations, to scope that work out,” he told the Star.

“The ability to use firearms safely and responsibly for food security, for self-protection and preservation, while in the land are all things that we can accomplish, while at the same time trying to reduce gun violence.”

Mendicino noted that a gun ban isn’t the only measure being taken to reduce gun violence.

He said the government is spending $450 million at the Canadian border to prevent illegal sales and smuggling.

He also noted nearly $1 million in federal funding going to Whitehorse for community programs to prevent youth from getting involved in crime.

Increased mental health care, he said, is another part of the federal government’s approach to gun crime prevention.

Mendicino said he doesn’t expect to come back with a revised bill that gun owners will totally agree with, but he hopes to change it so northern ways of life are protected without sacrificing public safety.


Steve on Jan 28, 2023 at 4:31 am

As a legal gun owner still pretty concerned by the his comments. There are more than just the northern communities that us guns for hunting and sporting. Hunters and sport shooting is a bigger sport than golf. Hunters help keep the wildlife populations in balance in southern Ontario. An exemption for sport shooting, how hard will that be too get. The main point though is this whole bill will cost 100 of billions of dollars and do nothing to reduce gun crimes in Canada. The criminals don’t follow the laws to begin with adding more won’t change anything. Use the money to add more scanners at points of entry along with agents. That will not only stop the guns but also drugs and human trafficking. This bill has changed so much its ridiculous. It started with assault style weapons which assault weapons have been prohibited for decades now. It then morphed into a handgun freeze and now non restricted longuns. The term variant can mean a lot of things and can be used to reclasify many firearms. We seen this happen with the assult style weapons, the list far exceeds 1500 guns. Not to mention how does a bill become legal before is passed royal ascent. By the way none of my firearms are weapons. I have never used them for bodily harm to humans. I use them as tools to compete in sport shooting and to control wildlife populations while providing food for my family.

Shannon on Jan 25, 2023 at 3:38 am

Scrap c21 all together. Put all the buyback money into policing and border security. This is an uncalled for attack on legal gun owners. Using terms like “assault style weapons” to confuse non gun owners is classic 100% disinformation. That’s like a Honda civic with a Ferrari body kit and calling it a Ferrari.


They know this, yet follow the same course . Thats how we know it isnt the criminals theyre after !


Things are really getting interesting these past few months, expecially since aboriginal folks are becoming more actively engaged. I knew it was just a matter of time. Now, the next few months should be interesting. Lets see who gets a free pass and who doesn’t. IMHO as always.
Opposition is starting to turn the tide in the interest of the folks affected.
Also, public attention has legal firearm owners more motivated to stay informed.


It usually does when it hits them personally & where they live, not so much when it’s the other person. Never criminals because they’ll break the law anyway. :thinking:


A step in the right direction…

BREAKING: Liberals withdraw amendments from Bill C21 that would have banned thousands of rifles and shotguns

Today in the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security (SECU), the Liberal government asked for unanimous consent to withdraw the controversial amendments (G4, G46) from Bill C21.

G4 was the amendment that defined what assault “style” firearms are, even though that’s a manufactured term with no real meaning. The amendment equated to a sweeping semi-auto gun ban. Amendment G46 was “the list” - over 300 pages of guns being added to the ban, or previously banned through regulation. They were hoping to codify these long gun bans in legislation, making it very difficult for a future government to reverse.

The shocking withdrawal came after massive push back from the CCFR and our members, hunters, hunting groups and their members, The Assembly of First Nations, sport shooters and even NDP and Liberal Members of Parliament. While the House of Commons is typically quiet over the winter break with MPs heading back to their constituency offices for local matters, MPs from all parties seemed to keep the debate on these amendments alive.

While this is, in general, good news for licensed gun owners across the country - this is not a win in the sense of the battle being over. In fact, far from it. It is imperative we continue to push with the same vigour and force to ensure C21 is scrapped in its entirety. Don’t forget there is still the airsoft ban, the handgun freeze and a variety of other measures still within C21 itself.

While we regroup and focus our efforts on scrapping the rest of C21 and working on our federal court challenge against the 2020 gun ban, we want to thank everyone who helped write letters to their MPs, engaged on social media and helped fight this amendment. We MUST maintain this level of unity because they will never stop banning guns from legal owners.

The Messenger


Never give up & never give in. :disguised_face:


I thought it was already a done deal. Glad to see it wasn’t!



Yes Bill C21 was implemented on Law abiding folks that for what ever reason have firearms on the original Bill C21. The Liberal Government just kept building the list and finding ways to pass them. I am glad this BS takeaway has at least idling for now. It’s really obvious, everything up to now has been pre orchestrated.


I was reading a article this mourning and thought you might want to see some of it.
It sounds like it could be talking about the US.

We have developed very similar circumstances over the decades and brought most of it on ourselves.

The Upside to Canadians’ View That ‘Canada Is Broken’ Is That Most Are More Indignant Than Resigned.

Imagine living where two-thirds of the inhabitants think “everything is broken in this country right now.” Then imagine it being good news. Because, according to a new Leger poll, if you’re a Canadian you do… and it is.

Obviously, it would be better to live where the vast majority did not think things were broken, if they were correct. But it’s hard to think of a place where they would be correct. Given flawed human nature, government and society have always been in bad condition everywhere. Indeed, most people through most of history have rightly believed they lived somewhere that everything was broken and, worse, could not be fixed.

I’ve twice referred on this topic to Austria-Hungary, which crumbled in 1918 and only lasted four years, as with the Ottoman Empire that bit the dust four years later, because its neighbours were terrified of the mess it would create when it crumbled. (I don’t normally quote Hitler except to warn about how evil people think, but his “Mein Kampf” ridiculing of Germany’s pre-Great War ally as “this mummy of a state” is memorably bang on.)

If you read the newspapers, including foreign news, you see that most people today live in places where they would have to be insane not to think everything was broken, probably irreparably. I don’t want to single out, say, Mali or Syria, because there are so many others, like Putin’s Russia. And it wasn’t better in the old days in, say, Mexico under Porfirio Díaz, or Russia under Aleksandr III or Ivan the Terrible.

Nor, I might add in this context, is The Woman King’s glossy portrait of life in 19th-century Dahomey credible. But it is instructive to think about the late Roman Republic, in which people like Cicero were delivering Philippics and moaning “O Tempora O Mores.”

Nowadays I do not think our very broken schools are teaching kids who Cicero was or what was bothering him. But he was very popular in the 18th century, more than during his first-century B.C. lifetime, because many people saw signs of serious trouble around them and were determined to do something about it.

Which is why this poll result is good news. Again, it would be better if Canadians were rightly pleased with the state of affairs. But as things stand they’d have to be insane, and the most alarming possibility would be to live somewhere like Camazotz where propaganda plus mental decay produced a demented conviction that everything was fine. Instead, when politicians brush aside complaints that things are broken, we apparently brush them aside. Phew.

To inhabit a regime where things were so bad you weren’t allowed to complain would also be terrible. And many do. Remember the old joke about a pollster saying, “Excuse me, I’m surveying public opinion on meat shortages,” and an American responds with “What’s ‘shortage’?” a Soviet with “What’s ‘meat’?” and a Chinese with “What’s ‘public opinion’?” (And you can, or once could, add an Israeli, Bostonian, or some such going, “What’s ‘Excuse me’?”)

Obviously, Canadians know what all these things are, and it’s good. Moreover, we’re angry that things are broken, which is also good… up to a point. It’s very dangerous to sink into rage and paranoia over such conditions. But almost anything beats sinking into resignation, which is what happened in most places over most of history.

General José de la Cruz Porfirio Díaz Mori, for instance, was President of Mexico for seven terms between 1876 and 1911, basically the real-world “Autumn of the Patriarch,” a period of hallucinatory stagnation in which time itself seemed have stopped. And then it restarted with a hideously violent revolution, underlining the terrible human cost of situations so bad the populace succumbs to fury, despair, or a toxic mix of the two.

In Canada we haven’t. Not even with a major public sector union deciding now’s a good time to demand a 47 percent raise over three years. Such a thing needs to be hooted off the stage, especially given that the public sector is the most conspicuously busted part of our society nowadays. But it almost certainly will be, because Canadians haven’t given up or broken down. We want better and, crucially, still believe in it.

It won’t be easy, and we can’t go blaming others. Not even for electing these politicians; we did it to ourselves. And social disorder, increasing rudeness, lack of self-restraint, these mores didn’t fall from the sky or the Peace Tower. We embraced radical personal liberation, from social institutions, individual character, and ultimately reality itself and, just as Cicero warned, collapsing political self-government is driven by the collapsing personal kind.

Which is very bad. No question. We’re in a mess we made. But we’re upset, indignant, and, I think, determined, rather than bitter, resigned, and malevolent. Which is very good.



A young lady made this comment in response to the article. IMO it was well written

Trudeau and Biden have both been able to do maximum damage in as short a time as
Sane and sober people notice these things.
Although I must admit the Biden regime has done it in record time here in the states.
But Trudeau was the shiny thing and so many thought that was all good and fun until the hammer fell and they were robbed and jailed for protesting.
Now they want your guns, Canada.
That will not end well.
Same as it ever was, tyrants gonna tyrant and once they disarm you it’s all over but the gulags.
Freedom is always one fascist leader away and I think both countries need to take a hard look at what is happening and change things fast.
Law and order, borders, strong leaders for a moral outcome.
Or chaos reigns supreme.


Hey, apologies for not responding sooner…
TYVM for posting this, it’s is a great, and I very much like the lady’s response.

I now see it this way, and I stitched some of this together from your article.
Childs Play…
If someone wanted to keep or discourage you and your friends from playing in the sandbox, for safety reasons or whatever, they would remove all the toys that are sharp or could spray sand in somebody’s eyes. They would leave you with a hand full of toys, but not the fun ones that you and your friends used to play and dig with, the fun ones. Eventually, you and friends start to complain about missing the digging fun toys, so your threaten to take away all your toys and leave you playing in an empty sandbox. Your friends still play with you in your sandbox but with no digging toys somebody eventually gets sand kicked in their eyes.
After the dust settles and the threat of taking away all the toys seems to not have change the outcome, you are still allowed to play in the sandbox with a handful of toys that you are still OK playing with, but the other toys are no longer available and if your caught with one of those other toys in the sand box, you get a long time out. So your happy to still be able to play in the sand box and your friends are allowed to play with you but still they are only allowed to bring the same toys into the sandbox, but everyone is told to play nice or else, the sand will be taken out of the sandbox, and spread about so that no matter how much you try, you could never refill the sandbox and if you were able to partially refill the sandbox, it would never be filled enough to have the same fun you and your friends used to have.

  1. Create a takeaway list.
  2. Create a way to takeaway everything, which encountered with to much opposition.
  3. Revert back to the original list.
  4. And you get what you wanted in the first place, with or no opposition.

Politics 101


How convenient and the bottom line going forward…

Amendments G-4 and G-46: A Quick Explanation

A number of our members have contacted the office with questions regarding the government’s withdrawal of Amendments G4 and G46. They want to know what this means to them – what they can and cannot do. This is understandable as the goalposts seem to be constantly shifting.

There have been four major initiatives directed against lawful gun owners by the federal Liberals.

The May 2020 Order in Council: This is the original Order in Council (OiC) that banned 1,500 makes and models of sporting and hunting firearms under the guise of “assault weapons”. The RCMP has slowly expanded this list to now include 2,058 makes and models. This OiC was unaffected and remains fully in force although none of the firearms have been confiscated and, despite the government’s professed promises, no compensation program has been created.

Bill C-21: This legislation is the Handgun Freeze. It bans the sale, purchase and transfer of legal handguns in Canada. Criminals are unaffected. It allows the legal owner of these handguns to keep and use them until the owner’s death at which time, the firearms are legally stolen by police from the grieving family and destroyed. This legislation is currently in practice, and we have many reports of confiscations occurring within a few days of the owner’s demise. Our advice to the families of the deceased owners is to inform the police that the executor will retain possession pending deactivation.

Amendment G-4: This is the so-called “Evergreen Clause”. This bans all semi-automatic, centerfire firearms with box magazines, now and in the future. This amendment captured huge numbers of hunting firearms, sparked outrage amongst hunters and has been withdrawn.

Amendment G-46: This was the newest list (309 pages) of firearms the government wants to steal from you and includes many common hunting and sport firearms like the ubiquitous SKS rifle, the Ruger PC Carbine, and a huge list of common Benelli shotguns. Again, no mention of compensation – just theft from Canadians. This amendment was also withdrawn.

We are cautioning our members not to enjoy the reprieve too much. The feds are simply regrouping and are planning to amend the amendments and reintroduce a newer version again.

Keep the pressure on and let the government know how you feel. Understand that the Liberal party is not our friend and doesn’t care about you, your property or your family. Understand too, the only real cure for all of this is governmental change. Please work tirelessly toward that goal.


This really doesn’t sound like an organic movement. They’re doing this all over. In many different countries. All of which had questionable elections recently that just happened to go to Marxists.

There’s only one way out and it’s not the ballot box. You can’t have a fair contest with a crook.


That certainly sounds familiar :smirk:


Not by mistake, by design. :wink:


Thanks everyone for your comments.
Sure it’s an uphill battle.
And hopefully the BS games the Government is playing will stop and that will be the end of it. :roll_eyes:
Leave the good people alone and let us continue to work our asses off so that we can survive and pay taxes.


Trudy Castro won’t let you do that. He wants to be like his dad. His REAL dad, Fidel.

Its what these Marxists are all aiming for. They follow the same pattern every time and every time the people are too afraid to do what needs to be done to stop it.

I’m not saying where there yet but we’re certainly inching closer every day.

Couple weeks ago I ranted against our fine boots in blue. You know why? Because they’re not on our side anymore. The young ones (ten years or less in the force) are the ones that will be the Brown Shirts before this is all over. They’ll be pushed by the compromised captains and any who protest will be forced out.

You guys saw that at the Trucker’s protest. The only reason they didn’t open fire is because they haven’t confiscated the guns yet and if they had there were be returned fire.

Buy ammo, kids. This is looking like 1930-34 right now. We went from flappers to total war in a decade before and things just seem to move twice as fast today as they did then.

Call me crazy but I’ll make damn sure my family is alive and free at the end of this.